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RUTHIN. DENBIGHSHIRE INTERMEDIATE EDUCATION SCHEME. MEETING OF THE COUNTY GOVERNING BODY. A meeting of the County Governing y 11 Body, under the Denbighshire Intermediate Education Scheme was held at Ruthin on Friday. Mr. Thomas Gee presided, and there were present, Mr3. Parker Davies (Abergele), Miss Gee (Denbigh), Messrs. W. G. Dodd (Llangollen), J. Harrison Jones (Denbigh). Ezra Roberts (Ruthin), J. W. Lumley (Ruthin), Professor Lloyd (Bangor), the Rev. J. Haworth, W. J. Ollie, M.A. (Llangollen), Dr. J. Medwyn Hughes (Mayor of Ruthin), Charles Dodd (Wrexham), Peter Williams (Brymbo), with the clerk (Mr. John Roberts). APOLOGIES. Letters of apology were received from Messrs. E. Hooson, Griffifch-Boscawen, J. E. Powell, Hugh Pierce, the Hon. George Kenyon, and Sir Robert Egerton. FINANCE COMMITTEE REPORT. In the absence of the Hon. G. Kenyon, chairman of the Finance Committee, Mr. W. G. Dodd proposed the adoption of that committee's report, which showed that the total amount of bills and claims came to £2,076 16s. 9d. He also proposed, in ad- dition to the adoption of the report, that the clerk be instructed to apply to the County Council for the education rate for next year, and also that the grant towards Technical Instruction be increased from one-eighth of a penny to half penny in the pound. Mr. Ezra Roberts thought Mr. Dodd's pro- position a very wise and a reasonable one. He thought they certainly should have a larger grant for technical instruction inas- much as the education rate for 1894-5 still remained unpaid. Mr. Lumley said that before he could vote on the resolution, he should like to know what was the opinion of Mr. Danckwerts, Q.C., on the subject of the unpaid education rate for the year 1894—5. After some discussion, the clerk read Mr. Dauckwerts' opinion, which was rather of an unfavourable nature. Mr. Lumley then proposed that a further question be asked Counsel as to which effect would the obtaining of a mandamus have on the subject, so that they as a committee might be in a position to know whether, having obtaiaed such a mandamus, they could compel the County Council to pay the outstanding half penny rate. Until they did this, it would be unwise to ask the County Council to pay this rate. Replying to a question, The Clerk said the County Council had taken up a friendly attitude in this matter all along, but had to face the difficulty of paying the money, without being liable to be surcharged by the auditor. Mr. Lumley said he would support the resolution if he understood that any in. creased amount granted by the County Council would be applied for technical in- struction pure and simple, but if the appli- cation was made for the amount to cover other purposes, he would vote against it. Professor Lloyd said it was most difficult to know what technical instruction pure And simple meant. According to the views recently expreased, it might include every- thing except Greek and Latin (laughter). The Clerk said that the id. rate due for 1894-5, amounted to a sum of £ 1,226. That amount was owing from the County Council, but it appeared that there was now no fund available from which it could be paid. Miss Gee said that notwithstanding the difficulty which has arisen with respect tothis matter, they as a committee should not be afraid of applying to the County Council for a id, rate for technical instruction. They snould not allow the County Coun- cillors present to atop them from asking for it (laughter). Mr. Lumley: I am in that happy position of not being a County Councillor (laughter). Mr. W. G. Dodd You are an Alderman. Mr Lumley: No, not even that (laugh- ter). 0 The Chairman: Of course, no County Council can exist without Mr. Lumley (re- newed laughter). On be; ng put to the meeting, the resolu- tion was agreed to, Mr. Lumley being the only dissentient. COMPLIMENTING THE CLERK. Mr. W. G. D^dd pointed out that the Finance Committee had unanimously re- commended that the clerk (Mr. J. Roberts) be paid an honourarium of 225 for the extra duties performed by him since his appoint- ment. As this recommendation had been adopted in the report, he did net know whether it required to be moved in a separ- ate resolution or not. The committee had considered the matter fully, and felt it was a very just claim on the part of the clerk. The Chairman said the clerk had vast duties to perform, and what he did he did exceedingly well. Even the case submitted for Mr. Danckwerts opinion could not have been prepared better by any lawyer in the country. It had been drawn out very satis- factorily and very clear (hear, hear). Subsequently, on the motion of Mr. Dodd, seconded by Mr. Peter Williams, the recom- mendation was unanimously agreed to. The Clerk said he was much obliged to the eommittee. The Chairman And you must" be a good, boy in the future (laughter). Mr. Ezra Roberts then moved that the opinion of Mr. Danckwerts be referred back to the special committee already in exis- tence for further consideration, and with power to act. Mr. W. G. Dodd seconded. The Chairman thought it would be well to explain to the County Council that the increased grant asked for the purpose of technical education was meant to cover in some measure the loss 'of the rate already referred to; and he would go as far as to ask the Local Government Board whether they would pass the rate under such cir- cumstances. Dr. Hughes thought it would be better to leave the matter in the hands of the County Council, rather than suggest how they were to get out of the difficulty, if they were to get out of it at all. Mr. Lumley said the County Council did not feel themselves in any difficulty as regards this matter. The. difficulty was on the part of the County Governing Body. The motion was agreed to. THE RUTHIN COUNTY SCHOOL. THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A GIRLS' SCHOOL, The plans and report of the architect (Mr. James Hughes, Denbigh), with refer- ence to Brynhyfryd, prepared in obedience to the request of the Charity Commission- ers, contained in their reply of the 3rd of August, 1897, were then submitted, together with the estimate of the cost; also, the reply of the Local Governors, as agreed at their meeting the previous day. J The letter of the Local Governors was as follows:— March 3rd, 1897. Dear Sir,—The Commissioners letters of May 7th, and August 3rd last, have received the careful consideration of the Ruthin Local Governing Body, and I am now direct- ed to report their views thereon to you. A provisional agreement for the purchase of the freehold premises called Brynhyfryd solely for the purpose of a girls' school has been entered into by the Governing Body of the Ruthin Schools, and submitted to the Commissioners for their approval. The purchase money is £ 2,500. Plans of the proposed alterations and additions to Bryn- hyfryd in order to adopt them for a girls' school have been prepared by Mr. James Hughes, Denbigh, and a report of the ne cessary outlay has been prepared by him, and both have been approved of by the Local Governing Body, and I now beg to forward the same herewith. It will be ob- served that the report gives a detailed calcu lation of the cost of these alterations as re- quired in the Commissioners' letter of August 3rd last. The entire outlay is esti- mated as follows :—The purchase money of Brynhyfryd, X2,500 is apportioned as fol- lows :—Value of lani, X728 2s 6d,; Bryn- hyfryd House, £1,417 10s.; buildings to be used as a laundry and cooking class-room, and laboratory, E222 12s. 9d.; lodge, £100; greenhouses and out offices, £ 31 14s. 9d. total, £ 2,500. Cost of new school buildings, R700 latrines, X60 cost of alterations to old buildings, 9250; cost of alterations of old offices to adopt them for cooking and laundry class-rooms, &c., 235 total, £ 1,045; cost of furnishing and equipping thetschool, £ 175, making a grand total of 1.3,720. The proportion of this amount referable to the accommodation for boarders is R333 10s. 9d. The amount of the funds in the hands of the Ruthin Governing Body on the 3?st of December last was X2,242 12s. 2d., making a total of X3,912 Os. lOd. Referring to the provision of funds to meet the necessary expenses, the Local Governing Body have carefully considered the matter, and have come to the conclusion that under present conditions, and in view of the fact that the establishment of a boys' school is not in im- mediate contemplation, it would not be possible to raise any sum by voluntary sub- scription particularly as the resources of the neighbourhood have been practically exhaus ted in the effort recently made in this direc- tion for the purpose of the erection of the present new grammar school at Ruthin, by which a sum of 93,136 was raised by volun- tary subscriptions. When the suggestion of providing E500 by voluntary subscrip- tions was made, the establishment of boys' and girls' schoel at Ruthin as stipulated in the scheme, was in contemplation, and it was made at the time to meet the objections raised to the establishment of a boys' school. It will be observed that the scheme does not stipulate for any contributions to be made locally to the cost of providing schools at Ruthin, probably on account of the volun- tary subscriptions for the new grammar school already! referred to. Under these circumstances the governors seek to obtain the sanction of the commissioners to pro vide the balance of the necessary funds beyond the XI,668 8s. 8d. building fund from the accumulation of the annual grant. Failing this, the Governors propose that the sum of X333 10s. 9d., stated above, shall be taken from -such accumulation as a loan, to be repaid with interest (at 3 per cent.) with- in a limited period from the rent (say X25 or R20 per annum), which may be charged to the Headmistress in respect of the ac- commodation provided for boarders, and from the school fees of boarders.' Yours faithfully, EDWARD ROBERTS, Clerk. John Roberts, Esq., Clerk to the C. tl. Body. The Chairman asked how much money would be left towards setting up a boys' school, after the proposed work- had been completed. Mr. Ezra Roberts: Two sums of £600 and R300. The Chairman aid he hoped there was no doubt as to the determination of the Local Governors to push forward the question of a boys' school. Mr. Ezra Roberts replied that this was taken for granted. The Chairman said he was only asking the question. The Local Governors in their reply to the Charity Commissioners, gave, as a reason for not making a public sub- scription, that there was no immediate prospect of a boys' school being taken in hand. That was true, no doubt, as they wanted to carry through the girls' school first. Mr. Ezra Roberts said that was so. Of course, the Governors kept in view the fact, that ia a short time there would be further accumulation, and that their annual demand would be very much short of their annual receipts. Miss Gee said she did not agree with the Local Governors in giving up hope in the matter of public subscriptions. Mr. Ezra Roberts remarked that it would be useless to go in for voluntary subscrip- tions, when it was well-known in the town that they had enough money in hand. All sides were agreed as to the girls' school. A question having been asked as to the 1600 left in hand, Mr. Ezra Roberts said that this sum was intended for scholarships and exhibitions, But had been as much at the disposal of the Charity Commissioners as the annual grant had been. Mr. Peter Williams asked whether this would be available for the starting of a boys' school. The Chairman: If the Charity Commis- sioners allow, it will. I think all rely upon the Local Governing Body carrying out this boys' school. They are anxious to have a boys' school established, and are sure to find the means. But they want to get rid of this business first, and then the tables will be cleared for them to tackle the question of a boys' school. Mr. Charles 'Dodd pointed out that the xl,600 building fund granted under the scheme was for both schools, and it was now going to be absorbed by one of them. He thought that the chances of a boys' school were at best, very visionary, if they used all the money. He thought there should be a voluntary subscription. Mr. Ezra Roberts remarked that if the Local Governors were pressed to appeal for voluntary subscriptions at present, they would spoil the whole question of a boys' school, if they went in for a small subscrip- tion for a girls' school now. The Chairman felt quite sure that the interests of the boys' school had not been over-looked at Ruthin. Mr. W. G. Dodd said they were asked to sanction an expenditure of 21,200 on Bryn- hyfryd in alterations and additions. He was one of a committee-Miss Gee and Mr. Harrison Jones being the others-who went through the building, and they thought that some little alteration was needed. Now, however, he found that the alterations were to be on a very elaborate scale. In his opinion, the plans should be revised, and he would move that they be referred back for that purpose, and that, in the meantime, the Charity Commissioners be requested to sanction the starting of a school in tempo. I rary premises at the Brynhyfryd school- room. The Chairman said it would be well, per- haps, for them to express a wish that the expenses be reduced as much as possible, still, he felt that the plans should be passed. Dr. Hughes The great objection to these plans seems to be, that they would be the means of crippling the boys' school when we go about it. I can assure you, that the more difficulties you set in the way of our establishing this girls' school, the more re- mote becomes the prospect of establishing a boys' school (applause). The Chairman said there was great anxiety to have a good girls' school in Ruthin, particularly so, as they had been bowled out of the Howell School Mr. Charles Dodd suggested that as thero were persons at the present time in favour of a girls' school and not a boys' school, if there were no public subscription now, such persons would escape from subscribing to the other. Mr. Ezra Roberts remarked that the extra sum to be expended upon Brynhyfryrl was JB700, and not CI,200, as £ 250 was for the alterations of the old building. Out of the R700, X333 would be provided by loan, and not out of the accumulated funds as such. Miss Gee suggested the renting of Bryn- hyfryd as a temporary school for a year or two, as had been done at Wrexham. The Chairman We can rest assured that the Charity Commissioners are determined that the funds which the Local Governors have at their command, shall be absorbed for the girls' school This is what the Com- missioners want, and if they get the girls' school entirely from the funds in hand, the inhabitants, no doubt, will be more ready to contribute to a boys' school, and if they will then be short, they might be able to get a sum on mortgage on the Brynhyfryd pro. perty, after the example of Llangollen. Therefore, I think we can do nothing better than trust to the good sense of the Ruthin Governors. Miss Gee paid she felt very strong on the subject, and would have liked to vote upon it. But she had another meeting at Den- bigh, and had to leave. Her opinion was, that Ithey were going to spend too much money on the alterations at Brynhyfryd. Professor Lloyd said it seemed to him that they should understand clearly the position. Not only would the expenditure of this money place difficulties in the way of the proposed boys' school, but he imagined it rendered unlikely the carrying out of any scheme affecting the Howell School in the long run. Mr. Harrison Jones said the Local Go- vernors proposed to pay XI,100 for altering these premises for 40 or 50 girls, whereas they could probably build a new school altogether with the money. He would se- cond the amendment of Mr. Dodd. Mr. Peter Williams seconded Mr. Gee's motion that the plans be approved of, and sent to the Commissioners. Mr. Ezra Roberts said that if this matter were delayed much longer, it would go out of their minds, and the whole thing would fall to the ground. He sincerely hoped that the County Governing Body would not do this, as any little alterations in the plans could be made hereafter, notwithstanding the Charity Commissioners' decision on the question of purchase. After further discussion, the committee divided, when 5 voted for the motion and 3 for the amendment. The plans were there- fore approved of. a

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